From Blue Fishing to Going for Stupid: The Steve Sims Story In this episode of the Roots to Riches podcast, we delve into the life and legacy of the incredible Steve Sims. I'm your host, Justin Benton, and today we reflect on the profound impact Steve had on so many lives. Known for his book "Blue Fishing" and his unique ability to connect people, Steve was a mentor and a friend who recently passed away after battling cancer.
From Blue Fishing to Going for Stupid: The Steve Sims Story
In this episode of the Roots to Riches podcast, we delve into the life and legacy of the incredible Steve Sims. I'm your host, Justin Benton, and today we reflect on the profound impact Steve had on so many lives. Known for his book "Blue Fishing" and his unique ability to connect people, Steve was a mentor and a friend who recently passed away after battling cancer.
We revisit an interview with Steve, where he shared his journey from a bricklayer in London to becoming a super-connector for some of the world's most influential people, including Elon Musk and Elton John. Steve's insights into human interaction, his philosophy on life, and his relentless pursuit of success are truly inspiring.
Steve also discussed his latest book, "Go For Stupid," which challenges the current societal norms of tearing each other down and instead promotes a culture of support and encouragement. He shared stories about his experiences with high-profile individuals and his thoughts on the importance of having meaningful conversations, even with controversial figures like Hitler and Putin.
Throughout the episode, we also touch on Steve's passion for motorcycles and his unique approach to life, emphasizing the importance of understanding one's own value and leveraging it to create impactful connections.
Join us as we honor Steve Sims, a legend who wore his heart on his sleeve and never pulled a punch. Rest in peace, brother.
TIME STAMPS
00:00:10 - 00:00:41: Introduction and Social Commentary
00:00:41 - 00:01:02: Welcome to Roots to Riches
00:01:03 - 00:01:13: Episode Overview
00:01:13 - 00:01:55: Tribute to Steve Sims
00:01:55 - 00:02:07: Steve Sims' Legacy
00:02:07 - 00:02:50: Interview Introduction
00:02:50 - 00:03:11: Steve Sims' Background
00:03:11 - 00:03:53: Steve Sims' Books
00:03:53 - 00:04:45: Steve Sims' Philosophy
00:04:45 - 00:05:06: Impact and Respect
00:05:06 - 00:05:31: Steve Sims' Approach to Life
00:05:31 - 00:06:12: Recording an Audiobook
00:06:12 - 00:07:04: Steve Sims' Career Journey
00:07:04 - 00:08:12: From Building Sites to Nightclubs
00:08:12 - 00:09:17: Learning from the Door
00:09:17 - 00:10:12: Pivotal Moments
00:10:12 - 00:11:05: Grandfather's Advice
00:11:05 - 00:12:07: Leaving the Building Site
00:12:07 - 00:13:00: Becoming a Doorman
00:13:00 - 00:14:04: Observing Human Interaction
00:14:04 - 00:14:53: Controlling the Front Door
00:14:53 - 00:15:14: Creating Great Events
00:15:14 - 00:16:06: Reason for Writing the Book
00:16:06 - 00:17:09: Elon Musk's Cybertruck
00:17:09 - 00:18:09: Society's Reaction to Innovation
00:18:09 - 00:19:09: Jeering vs. Applauding
00:19:09 - 00:20:08: Stories in the Book
00:20:08 - 00:21:22: Connecting with Elon Musk
00:21:22 - 00:22:38: Motorcycle Enthusiasm
00:22:38 - 00:23:00: Different Experiences with Bikes
00:23:00 - 00:24:05: Advice for New Entrepreneurs
00:24:05 - 00:25:19: Defining Success
00:25:19 - 00:26:12: Return on Effort and Energy
00:26:12 - 00:27:02: Finding Your Unicorn
00:27:02 - 00:28:10: Dream Connections
00:28:10 - 00:29:00: Final Thoughts and Farewell
Steve Sims:
We went through COVID where we lost the ability to connect with each other. So in turn, what did we do? We started attacking each other. We started literally pulling statues down, pulling people down, putting people up on pedestals, and then pulling them down. We constantly attacked each other. And then in this period, we had all of these causes that we had to discuss. Me Too, Black Hate, sorry, Black Lives Matter, Asian Hate, all of these different conversations we had to have.
SPEAKER_02: Welcome to Roots to Riches, where natural healing meets unstoppable success. Hi, I'm Justin Benton, your guide to unlocking ancient wisdom to boost your health and your wealth. Together, we'll explore these lost secrets that can transform our lives and the world around us. Let's get started. Hey there, everybody. Welcome to the Roots to Riches podcast, where we talk all things health and all things boosting your wealth. Well, today we've got a, uh, an episode to look back on the life of the incredible Steve Sims. Uh, just an amazing guy. He wrote a book called blue fishing that, uh, when this whole world opened up to me, uh, four or five years ago, I, uh, read it and was just blown away with how he was connecting people and, and, uh, his insights and his stories. And, uh, I went to a mastermind with him, uh, that he was hosting down in Hollywood and got to know him. And we even interviewed him on a One Connection Away project that we did. And he had some really cool insights. And he passed away this week. I know he'd been battling. some cancer and he was just, you know, he was just a legend and, you know, just like a bull, you know, he just always seemed so vibrant and healthy and strong and it just kind of caught me off guard. So I was listening to the interview and I wanted to play it for you to hear his insights. He also, we talked about a book that he had just released called Going for Stupid and You know, you can check that out and buy that on amazon or listen to it on audible which we talk about here in this interview as well um, and yeah, just uh kind of reflecting back, uh 69 years and uh, just a great um, you know inspiration to so many he never um will be You know known as someone who pulled a punch. He always told you exactly where he stood and he wore his heart on his sleeve and he's just uh, you know, a mentor of mine, and I hope you enjoy this interview. And with a little ado, here's our interview with Steve Sims. Rest in peace, brother. Steve Sims is an amazing guy. He wrote the book, Blue Fishing. So if you've ever heard of the book, Blue Fishing, it is exactly what we're talking about here. And so I'm so excited to bring him here. We actually met for the first time at a speakeasy, kind of a mastermind event that he puts on. It was actually in LA in my backyard. And so i was able to meet steven hang out and see his world and blue fishing i read blue my mind i'd seen him do the circuit when that book came out and he just now released a brand new book called go for stupid there it is and really talking about how. you can just think as big as you possibly can and as wild as you can. Now, Steve has some stories. We've shared some stories about Grant and never other people, but my goodness, Steve Sims, we're so happy to have you here to share some stories, talk about the book. But like, I could just sit back and just hand the mic over to you. And thanks for joining us on the One Connection Away, because you've got some stories to tell, brother. Thanks for joining us, my man.
Steve Sims: I'm not going to say anything. I can't follow Ken. You know, Ken's just a freaking legend and a rock star. I absolutely love that dude. But he did say in there, everyone wants to be liked and loved. I don't care. I was thinking about that with you. I'm like, I'm not sure Steve really means it, but respected is always good. Uh, yeah, I suppose. I suppose impacted, you know, if, if I annoy someone and they walk away, so be it. If I can do something and they go, Whoa, okay. I like to look at myself as an excuse killer. You know, if you're out there going, well, I could never do that. And Ken was brilliant. The way you said, you know, you can't always get that momentum, but, uh, and I do like it, Ken Rockstar, man. But if I can be there to go, Hey, If I can do it, then you can, then I'm happy to live with that.
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, and Christopher Voss, is this the first time you had a chance to meet Steve? I'm sure you know Steve and any questions or anything, I'll let you lead off because I go all day. I got, I want, I got stories. I want, I've heard some of the stories and there's some stories I want to hear.
Justin Benton: Steve, you're amazing. This type of guy is, I, Mark Victor Hanson said, You gotta, you gotta reach out to this guy. And so I sent him a text message and you're like, you know what, I'm responding to you, but I really don't know who you are. How do you know who I am? And I'm like, well, we've got a mutual friend, Mark Victor Hanson. He's like, okay, if we're mutual friends with that guy, then we're okay. And so just, it's an honor to have you here tonight and just to share some things with us. We really appreciate it. Justin and I are on a mission to change the way people think about connecting and building relationships and be givers and think long term. And so it's just an honor to have you here tonight. Thank you so much.
Steve Sims: More than welcome. More than welcome.
SPEAKER_02: Thanks for having me. Absolutely. Well, so let's, let's, let's talk a little bit about the book. I know you already went number one on Amazon. It's I've read the book. I love the book. I can't wait for audible to come out in your voice. Have you recorded it yet? Or is that something on that?
Steve Sims: I did it. It's the worst experience of your life. If anyone's out there thinking of doing a book, understand you have to do an audible. No one can tell dictate, come out with the tonality, the emphasis of your story, better than you. So you have to do it. And secondly, it's the worst fucking experience of my life. I hate it, loathe it, never want to do it again, but I will if I have to. And so yeah, I recorded it last Saturday, but I actually, I said to the studio guy, I said to him, look, here's the scoop. I'm coming in as early as you can. He said nine. I said, I'm not going home until it's done. He's like, well, usually we take two to three days. I'm like, no, it's like having a tattoo done. If you, if you stop halfway through and you go home, you ain't going back for six months. So I said, I ain't coming back. So we stayed there and we left. I think it was like about quarter 10 at night. So I was done, but yeah, it's been recorded. Now it's got to be edited. And so God knows when that thing had come out.
SPEAKER_02: Well, I can't wait to hear it because I love listening to your stories. You were telling some great stories at your speakeasy event. I know you got another one coming up in Dallas. This last one was in my backyard, our backyard. We're practically neighbors out here in Southern California. So maybe, maybe talk, cause I love the blue fishing story too, but maybe talk about how did you get into becoming the super connector with Elon Musk and Elton John and how did that all kind of happen? I find that story so fascinating.
Steve Sims: I didn't want it to happen, but I had a problem. And when people want things to happen, it don't happen. When you need something to happen, like we all need to pay our electric bill, we all need to pay our mortgage, and we find a way of getting it done. But we all want to go to Tohiti, or we all want to go to Japan, and the wants always come second to the need. So the bottom line of it was, I needed to understand why i had no money i needed to understand why other people were making cash and i wasn't why you are driving around in a nice car while you're in a lovely warm office and i'm on a building site i needed to understand that. And so I needed to talk to rich people, because I don't want to talk to poor people, because they don't know shit, because I was poor. And so we know what it's like. Poor people don't know how to make money. Simple as that. I hate to break it to you. But so I had to speak to affluent people to find out how you did it, how you manage relationships, how you spotted opportunities, how you spotted danger signs, all these kind of things. I needed to speak to affluent people. Well, as Ken was saying, If you need to communicate with someone, if you need to be in a relationship with someone, first of all, ask yourself, what value can you bring? Now, you're all sitting there going, God, I couldn't help a rich guy. Rich guys have cars. Maybe you can fix his car. Rich people have nice yards. Maybe you could do their yard. Rich people need to look nice with their hair. Maybe you could do their hair. Everyone's got the same problems, no matter what the bank balance says. I always said that I gave you more interesting cocktail stories. I would find the party, the club, the unveiling, the fashion show, the award show, the concert and get you backstage. I had to find a way to get that to happen? in order for me to be able to go and have breakfast with you so a lot of people know me as the concierge and mr fix it to the richest people in the planet that wasn't the job i was in the job i was in was having conversations with affluent people that was just what i had to do so that was my life.
SPEAKER_02: So as far as like, what was the, the, was there like a one pivotal connection or one pivotal story where everything shifted, where you like everything just went bananas? Was there a story or a connection or a project or something where it all just clicked?
Steve Sims: No, there was a long series of them and it was dominoes. Um, But I suppose one of the most pivotal was from one of the poorest people I knew, which was my granddad. And I was working on the building site and I was, you've met me, I'm a big ugly lad. So I'm 200 pound of aggravated pissed off. That's what I was as a youngster. And I went on the building site one day thinking, shit, this is my life, I hate it. Yeah, all that kind of stuff. And I went up to the scaffolding, and there was my dad, my uncle, my cousins, and then my granddad knocking into his 80s. And I saw my timeline. I saw every single decade of my life. And I'm like, holy shit, this is it. I literally am looking through a kaleidoscope of my future. So I went up to my granddad at the end. And we had tea break at like 1030 in the morning. We all huddling, huddling to an old caravan with no wheels just to get out of the rain. And I go up to Grandad, and this place is just full of stinking bricklayers, all soaked to their core, trying to warm themselves up. And I squeezed up to my Grandad, and I went, Grandad, Grandad, did you ever think you'd be doing this when you were this old? Now, that's the kind of disrespectful thing that's liable to get you a smack in the nose. He didn't even look at me and I will never forget the words, the verbiage, the tonality complete. He didn't look at me, but he blew into his tea and he turned around and he went, if you don't quit today, you'll be me tomorrow. So I left the building site and I said to my dad, I've got to quit. And he went, sure handed, you quit fighting. So I left and I went off into, you know, going to millions of jobs that I was ill qualified to do. And I heard the word you're fired millions of times, quite often through a pane of glass because, you know, being a big ugly lad, no one wanted to tell me to my face. So it was a funny old thing. And then I ended up becoming a doorman of a nightclub. So I went from a skilled profession of masonry, an art of building a home. I have a great deal of respect for skilled tradesmen. I went from a skilled trade to basically my job description was, go and punch that bloke. That was my job. But as all entrepreneurs, we're kind of weird. We're wired differently. and we have the chance to look at it and go well okay was this done to me or for me and when i was on the door i was i asked myself that question and i realized this is an opportunity i am literally on a pedestal literally to be able to look at human interaction I could see the people that had money, how they interacted, the people that didn't have money, how they interacted, how the girls trying to start a fight for the night, the guys that have got a couple of sherbets in them, and they just want to start a fight. I got to see all of this through body language, psychology, human interaction, visual tonality. I got educated from the front of that door. And I realized, if you control your front door, in fact, everyone, write this down. Best piece of advice ever for you. if you control your front door you remove ninety nine percent of the problems on the inside. Now you know this justin you came to my speakeasy we only have like about forty to fifty people to come to that we refused entrance to that. That's why I think 16 people, and at two grand, that's another 30-odd grand that could have been in my pocket. But we refused that because we knew that the people in the room would create trouble. They wouldn't be in sync with the other people. There would be a lack of chemistry. And for that reason, we had to refuse them. But did we have a great crowd? Did we have wonderful attendees? And bottom line is, my events, I've always said, I have a better audience than I do speakers. That's because I focus first and foremost, who's in my front door.
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely, brother. Absolutely. I can vouch for it. It was a blast. It was at the Bourbon Room in Hollywood, right there on the on the Walk of Fame. And so cool. I got to meet a lot of great people. Brian and I were friends and I got to meet so many more just amazing entrepreneurs. And what a feeling it must be for you, because it's like you created that. I mean, they were drawn to you and these are your people. And everyone just had such a great time. And I know you've got some amazing coaching programs and helping people out with speaking and all those kinds of wonderful things. So, and I know we'll be, I'll be talking after this, you and I need to connect to talk some more, but I would love to hear, like, maybe preview a little bit out of the book, out of the new book here, maybe some fun stories. I know the Journey one's a blast, but if you've got a favorite connecting story that you've done out there that would make people laugh or just kind of inspire people.
Steve Sims: Wow, that's putting me on the line. I'll give you the reason for doing the book for a start. People piss me off today. People pissed me off because we went through COVID where we lost the ability to connect with each other. So in turn, what did we do? We started attacking each other. We started literally pulling statues down, pulling people down, putting people up on pedestals, and then pulling them down. We constantly attacked each other. And then in this period, we had all of these causes that we had to discuss. Me Too, Black Lives Matter, Asian hate, all of these different conversations we had to have. But whoa, we're too scared about getting canceled. So we avoid those conversations. What a horrible cycle we fell into. So I wrote that book to basically go, no, this is the wrong way. We're in a gotcha society. We should be in a support society. Rather than laughing at people because they shout out their dreams and aspirations, we should go, hey, I can't help you, but I'll drive you there. I'll get you a coffee while you're working out how to do it. I'll support you. Rather than what we all do now is giggle. Now, look, let me play a game. Actually, let me pick on one of you, OK? Do either one of you have a truck? Truck? Not currently. No truck. Okay. All right. So Chris, you don't have a truck, Justin, not currently. Do either one of you want a truck?
SPEAKER_02: I've definitely thought about getting a truck. Yep. I mean, yes. Range Rover only has so much space in the back, but yes, truck has been, when you need a truck, you need a truck. So yes.
Steve Sims: All right. So, okay. So you both, okay. So you're both open to it, but not exactly shopping in the market at the moment.
Justin Benton: Correct.
Steve Sims: Would that be right? Correct. Spot on. All right, spot on. Did either one of you see the unveiling of Elon Musk's Cybertruck?
Justin Benton: Yes, I did.
Steve Sims: Oh, well, hang on a minute. So you're not in the market currently, but he got your attention for the unveiling of his truck and for that unveiling? On that night, he opened up the deposits for you to purchase the Cybertruck that even now has not started construction. He sold out every single slot of that truck that night within two hours. So let's break this down for the stupid people out there. He got the attention of the planet, even if they had no interest in his product. He produced a product that was startlingly different from anything that we had ever seen before in the planet. Different composites, different engine. It was an electric engine. And he sold out. This is a good one. He sold out of every opportunity to purchase it before he even started making it. Is that not what every entrepreneur in the planet would love? But what were the headlines the following day?
SPEAKER_02: Negative.
Steve Sims: Why were they negative? What was the one thing that we openly laughed and mocked him the following day from that unveiling?
SPEAKER_02: Well, the thing I can remember is the truck looked a little weird, but that's just what I remember. I don't remember exactly what it was.
Steve Sims: It's weird as shit, but when I tell you what it was, you'll remember. It was the stone that went through the bulletproof glass. Do you remember? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So let us get it right. He got the attention. And aren't we today in an attention society? Aren't we all seeking that attention? He got the attention of people that don't even have an interest in his product. He also sold out every single possibility of it. And he also created something magnificently different to anything we'd ever seen before. But as a fucking society, we would have rather jeered it in the following day than to have turned around and gone, my God, he pulled off what every entrepreneur in the world wants. That's the society we're in. We look for a reason to jeer at people. Yet isn't every person's idol, Walt Disney, Henry Ford, Edison, Elon Musk, Richard Branson, they all did stuff that everyone laughed at them. And I had a conversation with Elon Musk a long time ago who openly said to me, they laugh at you just before they applaud. Well, isn't that a fucked up society? So I wrote the book. I wrote loads of stories in there about famous people that I know. I also spoke about things that I've got up to with the Vatican and Andrea Bocelli and Elton John to just go, look, this is a bricklayer from London. If I can be doing this, you have the opportunity as well. It's just you that's getting in the way of you.
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, I, for one, I'm curious, share with the audience a little bit about the Elon Musk story or how that all came out to be for you to connect with Elon.
Steve Sims: So I got asked to get, it was by another legend, Peter Diamandis, the founder of the X Prize. I got asked to put together an event for some of the richest people in the planet. We had about 30 people in the room. My God, the security was just unbelievable. These literally were some of the richest people in each one of their countries that had gone on this tech tour with me. I took him to Virgin Galactic in Spaceport. I took him to Fox. I took him to an AI station. I took him to all manner of things. And one of the peaks was that we took him into SpaceX with Elon Musk. And as he was coming down the corridor, i had to go get him i took a couple of my clients with me just a little perk to my clients and as we're walking through one of my clients was just jabbering like nuts trying to have a conversation with him and turned around at one point and said hey how do you feel about nasa always dissing everything you say and that's what he turned around he said they'll always laugh at you just before they applaud And that's the point of Elon. Elon's not a chatty person. Doesn't give a shit what you watch on Netflix or what you're having for dinner tonight. He cares what impact you're going to create. And that's what we need to focus on today. Stop trying to find out how you can waste your life. Start trying to find out how you can impact it.
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely. Well, I know you're also a huge motorcycle enthusiast. So what are you driving right now? What's your favorite toys? And I know you shot me a picture because we were talking about meeting up down at the Neptune's net with Keanu Reeves where they shot Point Break. Let's talk some motorcycles for a minute. I'd love to learn a little something about what's going on.
Steve Sims: What am I riding at the moment? Obviously none because I'm sitting here talking to you. But what is my day to day? I'm spoiled. I think I have 14. I think I have 14 now. That's bad when you can't even remember how many you got. I've got old British ones. I've got an old British bike, a 1970s bike that's nought to 60 in about three days. And I think it never even makes the 60, but it just makes you feel like, you know, you're an old gentleman from the countryside. And then I've got race bikes, which can do 210 mile an hour. and have me basically shitting my pants. So I have many different bikes, but this is the way I look at it. I ride many different experiences. So when I'm riding down the road on a Harley Dyna, hey, I'm Sons of Anarchy. I'm cruising down the street on a 1975 Norton Commando, I'm the Prince of Wales. And when I'm riding around on a 1985 Ducati Hailwood, hey, I'm Phil Reed. It's all these different experiences. And if I have a bike that gives me the same experience as another one, I pick my favorite one and the other one goes. So every bike has a different emotional trigger to me.
SPEAKER_02: That's awesome. That's amazing. Well, I'm hogging up all the questions here, Christopher. How about a question from you for, from the great Steve Sims?
Justin Benton: You know, we've got a lot of people that a lot of people are just starting out on their journey. I mean, they're, you know, you've got a lot of people that are at the beginning of their entrepreneur journey. And it's a lot of times they don't know where to start. I mean, they're trying to connect with people. They're trying to get people's attention. And for those that are just starting out, what's a great place. What's kind of a ground zero for them as they're starting to make these connections and get in front of people. What's a good place for them to start. Cause a lot of people are like, I don't know where to begin.
Steve Sims: Right. Okay. So there's, there's two questions there. Um, Thank you. And the first, the first one's a problem. The first one is the mindset. I don't know how to get in front of people. I don't know how to get this. I don't know how to get that. It's all about you. Okay. That's your first problem. It ain't about you. Nothing's about you. If you're trying to get out there and you're trying to be successful, there's two things that you need to know. One, what's a win? What's going to be successful? What is success to you? Now, you want to sit there and go, wow, it's $10 million. Is it $10 million or is it being able to pay your rent for the next six months without any worry or care? Get yourself a goal that you can see and that will be physical. Because a lot of people, $10 million, wow, but what does that feel like? You don't know because you ain't got $10 million. But you do know what it's like not to be able to pay the rent this Friday. So why don't you get rid of a pain and go, well, okay. You know, a win to me is to not have to worry about paying the rent for the next year. Good. Then we know what a win for you is. Now your wins are going to change as life goes on. Okay. But start getting some local wins. A win would be going to the, uh, to your favorite restaurant this Friday, buying anything off the menu with your missus and not worrying about the tab. That's a win. Being able to go out and go, I'm going to buy my wife a diamond ring, and not having to worry about the credit card going at the counter. These are wins that make you feel good and you can understand and you can relate. So understand what those wins are. And then the second thing, your ROE. Okay now we all know about people that worked on all the wise you return on investment but i've always worked on another week what's my return on effort and energy okay what can i do. Is that easy to me what can i do that's a problem to somebody else. Now you may be absolutely fantastic with Excel spreadsheets, accounting, design, copy, website, you know, any of these things guaranteeing you your unicorn is special to you, but fricking hard to somebody else. So find the people that have the problems that are your unicorns that you can do really easily and then charge them to solve that problem. And that's how you focus. What is your unicorn? What is your ROE? What can you do really easy? Eh! Who has this as a problem? And sell it to them.
SPEAKER_02: Love it. Love it. Love it. Well, I know we're wrapping up here. I don't want to take all your time. I know you got to get back and we don't have any sun left in California, but hey, you know, this crazy time zone thing that they'll ever figure out what Daylight Savings is saying. But I have one last question for you. Okay. And you know, putting you on the line, as you said there, So we're talking about the Dream One, we're talking about that Dream One connection, whether it's Elon Musk or Elton John or Joe Rogan, whoever it is, who is Steve Sims' Dream One? Who's the guy or the gal that you haven't crossed paths with, that you want to cross paths with, for whatever reason you just haven't crossed paths yet? Or maybe you've kind of crossed paths, but you haven't really had that stroll.
Steve Sims: So you didn't stipulate alive or dead? I got to go live.
SPEAKER_02: Let's go both.
Steve Sims: We got time. Let's go both. You didn't say live, but okay, I'll play with you there. So let's go with dead first. Someone I would love to have a conversation with is Hitler. I want to know what he was so scared of. What was terrifying him that he was creating a master race of tall, blonde, blue eyed people when he was a short Austrian brown-haired guy. He was building a master race that was eventually going to kill him. I want to know what was wrong with the guy, what was terrifying him. That would intrigue me. So that's the one that's dead. Someone alive that I would like to have a chat with. Putin. What the fuck's wrong with you? I would really like to have that conversation. I've done the celebrities. I've done the icons. I've done the entrepreneurs. I've done the kings and queens. I'm always really interested in the interesting ones. I have a podcast, and I actually interviewed twice, actually. We ended up doing about four hours with Sammy the Bull Gravano, who was the hitman to the famous Gotti family. That was really interesting. And I've had vicars, I've had gang members, I've had prostitutes. I'd like to interview interesting people that could provide me with a different perspective. So I suppose that would be dead Hitler, alive Putin.
SPEAKER_02: Wow, that is quite an answer right there. And I'm actually working on a book with Napoleon Hill. I'll get you an advance copy of it. It's called Outwitting the Beast. And it's actually Napoleon Hill breaking down Hitler and how he applied 15 of his 17 principles from Think and Grow Rich, but he didn't apply to one being the golden rule. So that's the best I can do to get a conversation with Hitler. Chris, any last questions before we wrap up and let Steve go ride some motorbikes?
Justin Benton: We're going to let you go. Thank you so much for being here. It's been absolutely amazing. Thank you so much.
SPEAKER_02: Been a pleasure, guys. Thanks for doing what you're doing today. Thank you so much. We'll be talking real soon and good luck on the book. I can't wait to hear that audio, all that hard work that you put into it. How late in the night did you go?
Steve Sims: Oh, we got out of there just before 10 o'clock and we had no breaks.
SPEAKER_02: Wow, man. How was your voice after that? You'd like not talk for two days?
Steve Sims: I didn't want to talk for two days. I was very pissed off, very angry and just wanted to get away from there. So it was it was it was painful.
SPEAKER_02: Awesome. Well, thanks again, my brother. Enjoy yourself in Manhattan and we will see you real soon. You are the man. Thanks for your connection away.