"From Farm to Market: The Challenges and Triumphs of Hemp Farming" Justin Benton joins host Eric Singular from the Hoban Law Group in Denver, Colorado, with guests Bob Hoban, President and Founder of the Hoban Law Group. They discuss the recent virtual NOCO Summer Solstice event, which impressed Justin with its format, offering virtual booths and a variety of content. The conversation touches on the resilience and thriving nature of cannabis businesses during the pandemic, highlighting the opening of a new store by 101CBD.
"From Farm to Market: The Challenges and Triumphs of Hemp Farming"
Justin Benton joins host Eric Singular from the Hoban Law Group in Denver, Colorado, with guests Bob Hoban, President and Founder of the Hoban Law Group. They discuss the recent virtual NOCO Summer Solstice event, which impressed Justin with its format, offering virtual booths and a variety of content. The conversation touches on the resilience and thriving nature of cannabis businesses during the pandemic, highlighting the opening of a new store by 101CBD.
Justin emphasizes the importance of staying connected with customers and suggests that businesses reach out to clients simply to check in. The discussion then shifts to the potential of hemp, particularly in the context of industrial uses such as textiles, plastics, and batteries. The guests express optimism about the future of the hemp industry and stress the need for collaboration and sharing knowledge.
They mention the importance of genetics in hemp farming and the need for investment in decortication facilities to process hemp fiber. Justin also talks about R&D tax credits available for hemp businesses and the potential for carbon credits due to the plant's environmental benefits.
The episode concludes with a lighter segment on music, particularly focusing on a 346-hour playlist of live Grateful Dead shows. Justin shares a personal story about his early experiences with the Grateful Dead, and the guests discuss the enduring impact of the band's lyrics. Bob Hoban highlights how Grateful Dead lyrics provide wisdom and relevance to various life situations, encapsulating Americana.
[00:00:00] That's part of that being that inclusive and because we all were new to this industry at some point, and there are good people that are trying to get in this industry and try to do the right thing. So if your cup is full in this industry, and Bob is, you know, definitely been that for me, and I appreciate that Bob, and if there's someone else who's coming in and you can help them out and show them the right path and the right reasons to be here for this industry, this plant.
Uh, I would, uh, I would offer that as a challenge to all of us.
Welcome to the Miracle Plant Podcast, the show that inspires, promotes, and gives you a daily dose of inspiration from the people who have used cannabis to change their lives in extraordinary ways. Here's your host, Justin Benton.[00:01:00]
Recording live from the Hoban Law Group here in Denver, Colorado. I'm your host, Eric Singular. We're sitting alongside President and Founder of the Hoban Law Group, Bob Hoban. We're checking in with the CEO of 101CBD, Justin Benton. Justin, good evening. How are you doing out there? Doing wonderful out here in sunny California.
How are you guys doing out there at the Rocky Mountain Highlands? We're doing great here. It's, it's always good to hear your voice, my friend. And, uh, it was also good to run into you yesterday at, uh, the virtual no co summer solstice event, which was very cool. What did you think about that whole format?
I've been blown away with Morris and Lindsay's work out there. I'm not sure if that's their software, [00:02:00] uh, or if they licensed that software, but just incredible. They had like over a hundred virtual booths. We were an exhibitor there. Uh, just incredible. The layout, the content, so many, uh, systems. It's almost like it's a real event.
Minus the long lines for the crappy food and the blisters on your shoes at your feet. Well, we don't get to sit together face to face, unfortunately, at those virtual events. But other than that, I want to just dive a little bit closer and just describe this, because this was the first one that I've done several virtual events, but this was the first one that I've done that was set up this way.
So, uh, to, to elaborate on what Justin said, uh, basically, You, you look at the screen and the screen presents different doorways and you pick a particular doorway and that doorway leads you to an auditorium where there's either a live talk or a recorded talk to Justin's point, there's an exhibitor floor.
So literally you're, you're walking down this floor and you see different companies and you click on the company [00:03:00] and there's an introductory video. Uh, yours was very cool, by the way, Justin, I checked that out, uh, and it talks about some of the products. And then there's an opportunity to comment and look at other people in the room.
There was a jobs forum there as well. So at the end of the day, it was, uh, it was, uh, it was a pretty interesting event. And, uh, we were, we were, uh, we were, uh, Chat and you're able to chat with anybody in the room with you. So Justin said, oh, Hogan's here. And we started, uh, BSing about some things. So anyway, uh, it was good to run into you yesterday and it's, and it's always good to have you on as a, uh, as our recurring guest on the, uh, on the hope minute.
Well, and, and on that note, I just wanna say absolutely what the pleasure can honor to be here. You know, Justin, we had, you were the third episode that we ever recorded on the Hoban minute. Uh. Man, it seems like a long time ago. It was only a couple of months ago, but it was really right when everything started to shut down.
It was, uh, it, we were right on the verge of, of feeling the effects of this. And the episode of course, was [00:04:00] about how small cannabis owners and operators could weather this storm. And it's been the most listened to episode of this whole podcast. So Justin, it's always a pleasure to check in with you. Uh, You know, you're, you're, you're doing the work and dealing with the issues that a lot of people that listen to this show are thinking about.
Um, so, you know, we don't have a real discerned topic here, but want to check in with you. It's been a couple of months since we last talked. How is 101 CBD doing? How are you feeling as a business owner coming out of this? People are starting to return to some sense of normalcy. Uh, how are you feeling about all of it?
Well, we're, uh, we're, we're thriving. We're, we're blessed and grateful to be a part of the solution. Uh, you know, it's gone from illegal and illegal smile with John prime to essential as it's, as it's been, uh, you know, with the governor and, and, uh, you know, really has been the time, uh, for the spotlight on the plant.
And so. just been, you know, we're able to open up a new [00:05:00] store. Um, you know, that here on the beach out here in 1121 South Seaboard, literally on the beach. Next time we hop on the whole minute lives, we look forward to doing some videos for you guys can see and come visit and check all that out. But we've been doing great.
Um, you know, other cannabis companies that we've come across and CBD companies have been doing really well. Um, our customers have been so thrilled that we've been open. Uh, offering them, you know, various products. You know, there's a chill product that people are using for anxiety, uh, and sleep. And boy, we all seem to have a little bit more anxiety these days, and it's just been, you know, you know, it's been a really interesting time.
I think we've all kind of gone through some ups and downs of waves of emotions and, and you know, the, the, the famous word everyone's using is pivoting. And, and you know, a lot of us are trying to really listen to our customers. Um. My advice as a business owner to other small business owners would be to reach out to your clients and just reach out and say hello.
Don't try and sell them anything. [00:06:00] Don't try and, uh, you know, give them a bottom basement price, but just reach out and connect and say, is there anything I can do to help? And that it doesn't have to be anything related with your product or your service, but just know that we're here for you. If there's anything I can do or connect you with anybody.
To make that genuine connection because when we do get back to kind of full stride, and I really think that this economy is going to bounce back based on what we've seen from a couple other fundamentals out there, but just, you know, people are going to remember when the chips were down that you gave him a call that you cared enough to try and help any way you can and and we're going to get through this.
And like I said, I think I'm the first time I was here. We're going to get through this bigger and better than ever. And we're going to get through it together. And just like we saw on that pod, uh, on the, uh, virtual thing with no coats under solstice, there were so many people, um, already collaborating in and the fiber movement, which I'd love to talk about, uh, is, is a live in well, and it's just incredible how quickly [00:07:00] this plant.
has been, you know, brought to the, to the forefront and all of its capabilities with the textiles and the plastics and the batteries and everything. It's really happening. And I think it's happening faster than Then even you expected, Bob, and you, you knew what was coming. Well, yeah, I, I, I, I wish I could predict the future.
It's like having a, uh, uh, that, that book of the sports almanac from back to the future that Biff stole. Back to the future. You know, but, but, but let me put that into real time, uh, that same concept being from the future or, or, or, or seeing things happen before, uh, It happens in other places. The last two days have been, as you mentioned, as we talked about the NOCO, Summer Solstice event, talking about, you mentioned fiber, other uses of the plant beyond CBD.
People are very excited about that. It's a necessary next step. At the same time, those very two, those very same two days, the last two days, [00:08:00] I've been participating likewise in a virtual event. For the European industrial hemp association known as AIHA. AIHA is a longstanding organization with a lot of influence across Europe.
And the topic that was primarily featured over the last two days at that event with many, many, many smart people from around the world and around Europe was what? CBD as if it just occurred and I don't mean to to to minimize that or malign that or joke about that. It's what they're living through right now from a marketplace perspective, they're looking at novel foods, gets approved to the European union, then they can put these products on shelves everywhere and they're determined to grow.
process, manufacture, and distribute European based products in Europe, unlike what we've seen primarily thus far, which is North American us based products coming in to Europe. So that's a long with the way of saying the focus of NOCO, [00:09:00] because we are in a strange way years ahead of a continent. That's had industrial hemp legal produced, manufactured, distributed for decades and decades and decades since we prohibited it.
And all of a sudden we're years ahead in terms of market development. What do you think about that, Justin? How do you, how do you, how do you take that sports almanac to Biff Tanner? Well, you know, I mean, And you know, our, our mission is, uh, is to get our products, whether through video or through actual products like our topicals and tinctures in the hands of 1 billion people by 2025.
And I know I've worked with, you know, you, Bob and your fine team, they're assembled to make sure that wherever there are countries out there that, that want the best for their people and want to put the best, uh, you know, products on the shelves that we're going to be right there, you know, lockstep, making sure that they have a.
a great product for their, for their folks. So we're absolutely excited to expand into those markets, into the European unions, everything seems to be a little bit different. Uh, [00:10:00] every country seems to be a little bit different and continent. Um, you know, we do ship internationally currently right now, but again, it's not American ingenuity, you know, and that's what I think I commented before on is, you know, that's what we're great at, man.
First to the moon. and figuring out, you know, decortification. I know Doug Fine just came out with a great new book, Organic Cowboy, and, you know, he's talking about raising six to eight million dollars so we can, um, you know, get these decortification facilities in place so we can really just ramp this thing up and turn it right into, uh, you know, all the fiber and all that.
The plastic materials and on the batteries and everything else that we can do with this plant and obviously the paper and the closing as well. And, uh, yeah, I'm just really excited to see how this is going to happen. So we're going to leave the charge. We're going to figure out a way to get these, you know, resources and facilities in place.
So if anybody wants to come together, I know we've been talking at the, at the, at the NOCO event, people are collaborating and trying to [00:11:00] figure this out, which we need to do some venture capital, whatever we have to do. Uh, we're gonna do it. This is it. That's what I was saying. Like we we've got that almanac and And America's leading the charge again, even though they've been growing it forever and they can, we'll help them with the CBD and all the, all the good stuff over there, but, uh, the hemp revolution is really in effect and we're going to the next, uh, next year.
I can't wait to see it. I think what's cool is, you know, you mentioned we're ahead in CBD. They've been doing this for so long. On the industrial hemp side, and we have a lot to learn from each other. And I think maybe a part of what the, uh, the European industrial hemp association is trying to do is to kind of coalate, bring those different, uh, expertises and experiences together to really get a global, uh, Uh, movement going here and, and, uh, it's just a cool thing.
And I, I, I love to talk about the fiber side and the industrial side. And Justin, I love everything that you're doing with it. And maybe we can tie this into a conversation. I know you had, [00:12:00] uh, Talked about a little bit, which is these R and D tax credits, which we need to incentivize people here in the U S to start exploring these industrial uses of the, of the hemp plant fiber, ain't going to separate itself.
Yeah. These doors, as you said, the decortication facility. millions of dollars that go into that. And then aside from just building that facility, you're probably not going to see a lot of revenue right away. So you have to really have a buffer, if you will, uh, to get that thing running, dial in your genetics, dial in how you want to, how you want to run it, how, what you're going to create, uh, create that standardization.
But, uh, talk a little bit if you would, Justin, if you want to, about carbon credits, R and D tax credits. What are those incentives out there for people in this country to, to jump on that bandwagon and start making things happen, man? Yeah, there's some incredible tax credits, and I'm sure we'll put some, uh, a link in the notes to go read some articles on it.
I've seen some more articles lately. [00:13:00] You know, essentially you just need to demonstrate that you're doing something, whether it's creating specific genetics or something that's going to replace. Uh, you know, an older technology, it's a lot of gray area in there. So, uh, you know, and I would, I would again, you know, defer to Bob to maybe point into, I'm sure he knows some really good people that could help out with, uh, a really good accountant to make sure that we're good with that as well.
I know Brent works for that, obviously with you guys as well, but just make sure that what you're doing, there's a ton of money, uh, hundreds of thousands of dollars of tax credit, um, that we're eligible for as hempsters. And make sure that you're working with a professional and accountant that can make sure that you're dotting i's and crossing t's.
But uh, there's a, it's, it's, it's a lot of money that we can be using. And Hey, look, we're, we're sequestering carbon, man. We're, we're, we actually are sitting in the planet here where we're, uh, you know, we're doing our part with regenerative farming. So that would be my take on that. And, but [00:14:00] my first thing would be, is I'd have to throw the ball back at you guys and say, Before you do any of the fiber stuff, you got to make sure you have some great seeds that you plant in the ground.
And I know that you guys are great enough to. Let me check out some of those BGC and we got those things. I haven't quite gotten all the way up to palm tree level yet, but there's a couple of palm trees out here in California that I think that I might be able to grow them taller than so we have to stay tuned on that one.
Well, genetics of course matter, uh, particularly if you're going to grow a vast acreage or you know, yeah. Dozens or hundreds of acres, ultimately, which is what the goal is for this, this industry, if not aggregating that into the millions of acres over time. Um, but you know, I wanted to just go back for a minute to talk and we'll come back to the genetics, but to talk about the, the knowledge share, the, the, the information share part of it, because what you said is 100 percent accurate.
The rest of the world, not to malign them, they can't seem to figure out the extraction piece. They will, like [00:15:00] anybody will, but we've done it, folks like yourself have done it. There's knowledge to share there. There's knowledge to share as it relates to, uh, the Europeans had indicated that they were a bit taken back that Americans just started growing out and growing hemp and didn't say, Hey, Europeans, why don't you come help us grow hemp?
You guys have been doing this since we prohibited the plant. Uh, and then some, and, uh, Now we're in this stage where it becomes about fiber and it becomes about things beyond CBD. And of course, we have to go out and share knowledge on those things too. Where do we get that kind of experience? Where do we get this kind of, uh, of, uh, of, of assistance, because it seems like we, everyone tries to reinvent the wheel with everything having to do with cannabis, especially industrial hemp, but haven't these things already been done?
Absolutely. And [00:16:00] I think that we have to be, you know, obviously more inclusive and we have to be more collaborative. And especially in this, you know, kind of bizarre little economic you know, blip on the radar, we all need to make sure that we're first doing everything we can to make sure we get this plant to where it can go.
And I like to call it the green Buffalo because you can use every part of the plant and it has so many things that it provides for us. So, you know, going to these events, like what you went to the European event and there's the no co events here and others, and you really do get that sense of community.
And so we have that opportunity to share information. There was great videos. There's great, you know, we have to make that transition to this virtual world where this is what we, this is the world we live in right now. So let them break it and let's, let's make those connections and figure out, you know, let's not try and, um, you know, beat each other up on the airline price wars right now.
Uh, and all that right now, let's make sure that we work together. We [00:17:00] collaborate, we share, um, you know, things, uh, like I said, that book that was written by Doug Fine called The American Hemp Farmer has a lot of great information in there. If you want to, if you're just getting, starting out on farming and you'd have some questions about, um, you know, if you have any questions about, you know, farming or extracting or tolling or any of those kinds of things, He really does a great job of going through many of those different, uh, you know, uh, avenues and channels that we all go through as hemp farmers and, and, and as marketers and things like that.
So again, I just think it's collaboration of information. Uh, there's people out there that are here for the right reason that really care, that really want to see this plant, you know, that, you know, raising, uh, what is it all, uh, raising tides, raise all ships, I believe something along those lines, and there's so many people out there in this industry that are just like that.
So. You know, reach out to Bob, reach out to Eric, reach out to me, and if we can't answer the question or collaborate, we'll find somebody that can, [00:18:00] you know, if there's no, there's no sense in wasting time and energy and reinventing the wheel, uh, you know, and, and I work with, uh, California HIA here and, you know, working with Larry down at Hemp Traders, he's a great guy, been doing this forever, and if I can help out a farmer connect with an extractor, or if I can help out a, This guy with that, I mean, let's just all pull together.
This is our time to shine. And I look forward to helping out any way I can. And I'm sure you do Bob and Eric as well. Oh, Justin, you are undoubtedly one of those people. And I do think you're right. I think that if you reached out to one of the three of us, we could, if we didn't have the answer, we could link you up with someone who probably has a pretty good answer.
of Kevin Bacon, there's no way we couldn't solve a problem. Exactly, exactly. You know, guys, we have two kind of fun things to get to before we, before we wrap this episode up. One of them is, uh, talking about getting lost in the virtual world. We, uh, There's no, there's no live shows right now. That still is one of the things with the [00:19:00] event world that hasn't really come back.
But Justin, you sent over a playlist, a chronological playlist of 346 hours of live grateful dead shows. Talk about getting lost for a little bit in that. I haven't been able to get all the way through it and I have Spotify or whatever. And so I hit play and I hadn't heard a lot of that early stuff. And so I hit play and I was like, I calculated it.
If you listen to it continuously Uh, it would be 14. 4 days. So just over two weeks And so I hit play and i'm about a fourth of the way through and and uh, I've gone down that rabbit hole. I know bob you're you know You The deadhead, the deadheads right up there with Bill Walton. I just had a funny story to share with me.
So with the Grateful Dead, I was driving my bitchin Camaro, I'm driving Main Street, we're cruising, I don't know if the kids these days know what that means, but you would line up with your car, you'd cruise down Main Street, and we were looking [00:20:00] for, you know, if we could score, you know, a 12 pack of beer or, you know, a bag of grass, and I'm blasting driving that train.
jones. And so we hadn't so all of a sudden he's c and get pulled over by th like, what did he pull me
Boy, you've been driving that train. What are you talking about? He obviously, uh, driving that train high on cocaine. And anyways, uh, you know, an hour later, I, we, we got our, what we paid for and went out to the, to the, uh, to the great outdoors and had a nice bonfire and a good time. So that was one of my earlier memories.
Of Jerry and, and the Grateful Dead. And I'm sure Bob, you could tell a million stories. Well, it sounds like 14. 4 days worth of, uh, of time. That's well spent, uh, listening to that. And, uh, I'll certainly we'll dig into it and you, you, you messaged something along those lines [00:21:00] yesterday and I hadn't seen it yet, so, uh, I'm looking forward to digging into it, uh, deeply and, and, and, and it's much appreciated, but you we were talking about just The Grateful Dead and Grateful Dead lines and lyrics and, you know, one of the things that Uh, we talked about was what is it about Grateful Dead lyrics that sort of, uh, sticks to you because, uh, you know, and by the way, scientifically, if you like music and you listen to songs repetitively, you'll remember the words to those songs and those songs for the rest of your life.
You cannot forget those words. And of course there's some nuance to that study. But the point is, We all know songs. We all know every word to Hotel California. We all know every word, every Rolling Stone song, so forth and so on. But it's the Grateful Dead lyrics that stick with me, not because they're lyrics, because it's, I don't want to say poetry because that sounds hokey, even though technically that's, I suppose what it is.
It's, it's sage, it's [00:22:00] wisdom. It's, it's, it's something that drives the way you live your life and you can always turn to. And it's so appropriate no matter what. What you're doing in your life, there's a Grateful Dead lyric or concept that fits it. It's Americana in a nutshell. And that's, that's probably why that means so much to me and so many other folks.
So it's much appreciated, Justin, that you sent that over and I can't wait to get you out here again to Colorado and then drag you into my basement and listen to it till three in the morning. Yeah. And do you have a record player by chance? Do you have a record player? I do. Or do you want to take it for your birthday?
No, I've got one. Awesome. Good. Because records have been, they've made a huge comeback. And I remember records as I'm sure everyone here does. And I just, I, something stuck in my head like that's the way it's supposed to be. And I think there's some scientific proof where listening to records is the highest audio quality.
And, and I have a Bluetooth one that you [00:23:00] can put some headphones on. So yeah, I absolutely look forward to it. And I was thinking like a line I think I just sent to you. I forget you were saying something somewhere. And it was the, if your cup is full, may it be again. And, uh, you know, just being, you know, grateful for what we have.
And, um, if you have, if your cup is full, may it be again, and may you also help others. Um, you know, and if it is full, be grateful for what you do have. And then my favorite thing is like share the wealth. And if you can help someone else, whether it's by actions or. by example or or maybe, you know, helping somebody else out who's new in the industry.
And that's part of that being that inclusive. And because we all were new to this industry at some point, and there are good people that are trying to get in this industry and try to do the right thing. So if your cup is is full in this industry, and Bob is, you know, definitely been that for me. And I appreciate that, Bob.
And if there's someone else who's coming in and you can help them out and show them the right path and the right reason to be here for this [00:24:00] industry and this plant, uh, I would, uh, I would offer that as a challenge to all of them. Very, very well said. And that brings it, it brings a tear to my eye quite literally, but as we talk about, just, just, I want to talk about LPs for a second, we're talking about records because it's interesting.
And yes, uh, the quality from records is pretty remarkable. Now something happened to me in the mid eighties, maybe 86, my uncle, my mom's brother. Got a D a CD player. He started to go on. If any of us old guys remember something called Columbia house, where you paid like 5 cents and you can get 20 CDs. Um, cause he became a member of a club, so forth and so on.
It was probably a scam, but you know, those were, those were the days he started buying CDs. So he gave my mother, who was also an avid LP record collector, all of his albums. So here I am, you know, 10, 11, 12 years old [00:25:00] with a record player and the record players, you know, you talk about what you can do with an MP3 player or, or, or download digital downloads now, uh, or even CD players back in the day when you could put six CDs in a, in a particular thing and it would play randomly, but you could line up 10 albums, you could stack them.
On this needle above the record player and it would play one side of the record and then it would drop the next one and it would play that and it would drop the next one. It wasn't quite 14. 4 days worth of music, but it was, but it was sometime in every single night when I went to sleep, I listened to those albums into the night and it was Led Zeppelin and it was the who, and it was Carlos Santana and it was the Grateful Dead, uh, so forth and so on.
And that really is what, Got me into liking, as my children would say, music, but it is the classics and classic rock and roll. And it's certainly something that, uh, that we should, uh, respect and appreciate. Well, and this is a [00:26:00] wild thing to think about, but, uh, I, I remember listening to an original LP of American beauty just a couple of years ago and you know, there's those LPs, they have that crackle.
It's almost like sitting at a campfire, if you will. And I was just looking up when that album came out. I mean, that record is 50 years old. So you're, you know, and it's still, you still put it on there and it has that flavor of those, uh, those little scratches and little added bonus, if you will, it's just a wild thing.
We'll see if CDs make it, you know, into the 50, 60 year range, uh, Who could say for sure now, Justin, we, we have a video for Bob. I'll let you kind of do the intro here. This is a Hoban minute first, just so everybody knows. So it might, we'll see how it goes, but Justin, give us a, give us a little background on this video.
Well, uh, I think, uh, basically is. When I first got to know Bob real well, uh, it was very apparent to me that Bob [00:27:00] was a Philly guy. And so, you know, as most Philly guys are, they're obviously, you know, they've got the attitude and they've got the bravado, uh, and they've got the wit and, uh, they love their sports team.
And so, uh, Bob, let me know that he was a big time Eagles fan and him and his son had, uh, become, uh, fans. Big Eagle fans and it traveled and seen some great games and, and, uh, I just thought it would be kind of cool to have an Eagle and reach out and, uh, say a little something to Bob and his family.
Without further ado.
Hello, family. How are you doing? Seth Joyner here. I hear that you guys are now the biggest Eagles fans in the Rockies. The one on one Hemp family wanted you to know that your love and dedication for the Eagles and how much you care for the Eagles means an awful lot. And he wanted me to send a special message to your son, telling him to [00:28:00] keep doing his things and his thing in sports rather.
Um, but of course, grades come first, make sure you get your grades, make sure you stay on top of it. High school goes fast. Before you know it, you'll be off to college looking forward to the upcoming season. I know you guys are go Eagles and fly Eagles fly. Well, that is fantastic. Yeah. Birds. How about that?
Seth Joyner, by the way, great linebacker on those eighties Eagles teams into the early nineties. with Clyde Simmons on defensive end and Jerome Brand Brown as a defensive tackle. Those were some fantastic, fantastic Eagles teams. That brings back a lot of memories and I think Mike Golick was even in there somewhere, uh, but Andre Waters in the secondary, uh, there were, Isel Jenkins, I used to call him Burt Toast because you, you just, if you were the opposing quarterback, you always threw towards Isel Jenkins.
So, uh, anyway, Justin, thank you. That is, that is awesome. Seth Joiner is the man. Well, I [00:29:00] thought you'd like the And the little shout out to your son, and I know he, he's out there flesh is out there, you know, hooping it up and doing his thing. And as if we all could just have, you know, maybe one more week back in high school or, or college sports.
I know we would take it in an instant. Uh, our, our jump shot was always better than we remember it, but I, you know, I know you told me, Bob, that you still, he still got the championship around the house. Uh, Junior hasn't been able to knock the old man off this curbshed when it comes to shooting hoops, right?
You know, Justin, it's, it's remarkable. It really is. I can go out and shoot hoops anywhere and I have bad days, but literally if I'm just shooting around, I don't miss, I don't miss her. Like if I'm just shooting around without a hand in my face, I don't miss. And if you play horse with somebody, especially with my son, cause he's particularly good, especially these days, uh, he.
We have to play games. It's not just one shot. I pick a spot like you would in any pig or horse game. I'm like, all right, you gotta make five from this spot [00:30:00] in a row. And they all have to be swishes. That's the kind of game we've, we played. So I think, uh, needless to say, my son hates me. Well, I will never challenge you to a game of horse based on that.
That's no doubt folks. Bob Hoban does not miss let the record show. This has been by far one of the most fun and just absolutely enjoyable episodes of the Hoban minute. Justin, thank you for bringing all of this energy, bringing all of these positive vibes, uh, to the show and, and everything that you do, you're just a shining light, man.
And, uh, Keep on trucking. That's the only one that comes to mind right now. Just keep on trucking, brother. I love it. Well, again, you guys are doing an amazing job. I've heard all your podcasts and I can listen back and forth between that and the Grateful Dead, uh, you know, chronological, but keep doing your thing.
Keep having on great guests. Um, the amount of content that you guys is putting out is the second to none in the industry. And, uh, as always, if there's anything I can do. To help reach out if there's anything, uh, reach out to Bob and [00:31:00] Eric, you know, they've been doing it for, you know, uh, over the 10 year mark, which is always the big one.
I never really trust anybody's opinion because they've been doing something for 10 years and Bob's been doing it over 10. So, and you know, one of the original godfathers of the industry. So, um, thank you for having me on. I'd love to come on again, do some video and all that good stuff. I can't wait to see everybody in person.
Uh, come check out our new store in Westminster as well. And, uh, again, thanks for having me guys. All that good stuff. Let it shine, let it shine, let it shine. Thank you for listening to this episode of the Hoban Minute. Do you have any ideas for episode topics or guests we would like to hear from you?
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